I recently bought Office Pro 2007, having previously had Office Pro 2003. Obvious: two horsemen approach on a road, equally suspicious of each other. In my opinion, the U.K./European way looks cooler than the U.S. style; it also avoids having to use commas and decide whether to write 9 or 9th. If you’re wondering how we format currency in Europe, or how we format large numbers or numbers with decimals, here are some examples: Most European countries (as well many other countries in the world): 300.000 or 300 000 means three hundred thousand I won’t comment on the Napoleonic origin. American colonists favoured the monthly format, while the British Empire drifted towards the European style of dd-mm-yyyy. The bank doesn’t seem to care as long as it’s got my signature 😉. However pre-war I believe the date would more commonly have been written in the UK as, July 7th, 1920 – for example. MM/DD/YY instead of DD/MM/YY can anyone please advise? Obama got the year wrong! Some goes for Taiwan’s 105/01/06 as their first year of the Minguo era was in 1911. Try the Indian numerical system. (I’ll get my coat…), With respect to this whole “Fourth of July” thing, I visited a website (http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/scan.htm) just to reassure myself that the original Declaration of Independence indeed uses the *July 4th, 1776* format, which it does. To my knowledge, THAT format takes places on 10th November…NOT NOW. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. My wife just went on a first aid course and was told it’s now 112…… ... **** My problem is this, that when scheduling European customers they get confused since the date is shown in american format ex. I own a number of domains hosted by a large US domain seller, and have on several occasions come close to failing to renew these in time due to misunderstanding the renewal date – when I see on their site that a particular domain must be renewed by “3/11/2012″, I think I’ve got till 3rd November to sort it out! Change it to M/dd/yy which is the US Date Format. Even though I live in the US the Euro & ISO formats are more logically organized. In case American’s aren’t aware, ‘telegram age’ means 100 years old. True?). This is probably counterintuitive to many Westerners, yet no one has ever accused the English language of being intuitive or easy to follow. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Others write 2016, June 25 or 2016.06.25 either of which is substantially easier to organize a group of records because everything is in order. To format a date in VBA we use the inbuilt FORMAT function itself, it takes input as the date format and returns the desired format required, the arguments required for this function are the expression itself and the format type.. Formatting of date & time are sensitive things in excel, and the same thing applied to VBA as well. ), If it’s so logical to PROceed from the smallest to the largest unit, why not also say and write the time in seconds/minutes/hours? The locale is what presets your Google Sheets date format based on your region. To me, the beauty of the European method is its progression of diminishing specificity with each increment of time: from day to month to year. I write the full name of each month (first) then the day and year, which has been working just fine my entire life. I now write the month in English to avoid confusion. But in America, we mostly say “4th of July” rather than “July 4th”. Consider, for example, reports of three events that occur on January 20, April 15, and December 1 of 2012 (or any other year). As for the ISO format, it is the standard format in large parts of Asia and in parts of Africa, but it is also used as the standard date format in Scandinavia. Remember, this is 2016. ISO is the better way. I only use purely numerical formats when the reader is not North American. Before the Revolution in France, in different Departements, people used to drive on different sides of the road. It still baffles me that the USA uses a non-scientific temperature measurement system from Germany. *MDY => MM/DD/YY Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. what about the system which uses Roman numerals for the month? “Meet Me in St. Louis” in “The Family Stone”: a case of emotional larceny. Besides that, in Hungary the big-endian year-month-day order, has been traditionally used. No, that is entirely illogical. Hey… I live in the US and I don’t understand why people don’t use the metric system. Seems to me I discovered recently it’s a totally different 3-digit number in the UK. Sensible! I send out a membership list … Pingback: Cách viết ngày tháng ở các nước khác nhau trên thế giới. Just out of curiosity, Methos, how much do you weigh in kilograms? European Address Formats; Help and advice. I’m nearly 60 now. Not so re cooking or spelling or grammar, they’re flexible, ditto which side of the road a country opts to drive on. Perhaps thinking "When in Rome...," Barack Obama used European format when he signed the guestbook at Westminster Abbey. Yes, the Fourth of July is celebrates 2 days after Congress voted in favour of Independence from Great Britain. Fortunately, there is one solution in the ISO-developed international date format. A friend cleared it up for me by mentioning the OTHER way of writing dates. There is a temptation to cut corners by using a two digits instead of four (YYMMDD instead of YYYYMMDD) but those of us who lived through the agony of the Y2K “crisis” are leery of the unintended consequences of such a “time-saver”. Can you imagine how stupid you feel having to pause and think of your birthdate? So please edit the post. How do you alphabetize things? There is much more to be said but I’m trying to concentrate on the question! ( Log Out /  I see no reason why gunpowder treason STEP 2: Scroll to the very bottom, and select Change date and time formats. But also remember that, thanks to India and other former colonies, as many people drive on the left as well as on the right. I weight 82kg and I am 1.78m tall. I want to be able to sort this column by date, and thought I could reformat the entries using the "format cells" function to show them in a … For example… if you keep a folder full of family photos.. prefix them with the date. I will grant you though that the American style is only 1/2 logical. But entirely logical once you get used to it. The problem is knowing which is which…uh oh. In Control Panel, choose Clock, Language, and Region > Change the date, time, or number format. Note that these phrases are exclusive to the 12-hour clock, just as the "(hour) Uhr (minutes)" format is exclusive to the 24-hour clock. Before posting and after some research to answer my own question, I deleted my second paragraph, but WordPress posted it anyway. got them to use 6 april 2015. since it was a logical format and when it was imported to systems could be easily manipulated. Days and Hours are more critical than Years and Seconds. However, others hang on to old habits. 2012-09-04 can ONLY mean the fourth of September, 2012. National standard format is yyyy-mm-dd. What a wonderful way to exercise the brain! Excel always fails when the date contains a combination that … The countries of Europe had many different systems of weighing, measuring and distance. As with many things, Canada goes with the flow. Select a blank cell that you want to put the converted result at, enter this formula =DATE (VALUE (RIGHT (C2,4)), VALUE (MID (C2,4,2)), VALUE (LEFT (C2,2))), drag fill handle down to apply this … today is 20 IV ’12. I believe it was from the same folks who thought it was a much better idea to drive on the left. I’ve preferred the European date format since I was an impressionable pre-teen. In Excel I have a series of filters, one of which uses a date in dd/mm/yyyy format. My family were all born in the UK, but my children were largely schooled in BC. I’ve never had anyone even comment on it. BTW, for those who use the time analogy, you hav it backwards. My intuition would put the number at 3/4 *at least.*. I have prepared the plan with US date format (9/25/2017) but it has to be converted to european date format (25/9/2017). bollocks… Fred Flintstone logic! 2.Another column has date in DD/MM/YYYY (27/08/2016) format but PowerBI is reading it as Text. 1. – September the 11th. If you installed Microsoft Excel 2013 USA English version, when you open a file store in European or Latin American formats, Excel will not recognize the dates. Unless of course they’re ambidextrous and routinely commute with a .44 Magnum in the glove compartment? I think the European form is elegant, and I don’t get any pleasure out of being in an exclusive club with Belize. AND be sure that the commas are in if you wrote the month in letters failing which your knuckles will have an appointment with the teacher’s ruler. 2. Just realised I read sword hand origin HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That we aren’t I don’t take to be a sign of some failing on the part of one nation or another. When asked for my DofB, I say 23rd of the 5th, ’64. Checks? Although the ISO standard specifies dash rather than slash as the separator. You will know better than I do, but I think also, historically, there was some overlap between the US and European formats. The dates on the web page were in the European date format (i.e., dd/mm/yyyy). Misunderstandings arise only when travelers fail to conform to local custom and jingoists maintain that “our way is the only logical way.” We could have this same conversation about grammar, spelling, politics, and cooking. The standard separator in Germany (as laid down in DIN 1355, DIN 5008) was the dot. Frederick the Great’s comments on the Church of England apply an all cases. Save those keystrokes, and use them, if you do save, at the end of life to explain yourself, without typing. For example, "dreiviertel drei" (three-quarter three, see table below) stands for "three quarters of the third hour have passed". However 112 also works in the UK (though most Brits don’t know that), because it’s the standard EU-wide emergency number. A variant of the 12-hour clock is also used, in particular in informal speech for approximate times. A descending hierarchy makes the most logical sense when referring to orders of time. For left driving UK I’ve heard/read (can’t cite) that if riding a horse and meeting another rider it was good to pass on the left of each other….so in case of attack/need for protection, one’s sword hand was closest to the passerby/antagonist….assuming right handed of course. I work in Treasury services and the differing date formats are a total pain in the bum. Date.FromText. I have looked at the main UK dailies and they seem pretty evenly split on their usage (as they are, incidentally, on -ise/-ize: I always use -ize). Official EU documents still tend to use DD.MM.YYYY but one document specifies the use of ISO 8601: "Dates should be formatted by the following format: YYYY-MM-DD."[1]. Fortunately, converting the date format dd/mm/yyyy to mm/dd/yyyy is simple. WHAT has religion to do with dates?! As such, the ISO 8601 is: 1. What point are you trying to make, Rizzo? Change date format in Google Sheets to another locale. Firstdayofweek specifies the first day of the week. *YMD => YY-MM-DD I’m in the US Military and prefer to write the format at 10APR12 or 10 April 2012. The logical date part ordering and the metric system are objectively better than the alternatives even if you personally value tradition more than logic. Bank downloads get frequently miscoded up to 12/12 (or rather 11 Dec and 12 Nov, since 12/12 always comes out right even when it’s in the wrong order). I frequently use up so much of my attention on the month-day/day-month puzzle that I have none left for writing the correct year. New York Times outliers: “maths,” “trainers” and “mate”, http://www.usa.gov/Topics/Independence-Day.shtml, http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/scan.htm, Cách viết ngày tháng ở các nước khác nhau trên thế giới, “What we were able to provide our young men during an abbreviated season was a little bit of special”—U. In Chinese, this pattern is extended further such that 1:30 pm is read as afternoon, one-thirty. BTW – the Japanese use yyyy-mm-dd, the only non-technical use I’ve seen. So AMERICAN disaster of 911 would be written as 11/9/2001 or 11th September,2011 or even September 11th,2001. Monday Day, Year is another one that drove me nutz because the only was to sort data was to import it and then separate the date elements, move them to a hierarchal order Year Month day or day month year. Having us all know the temperature in Celsius or our weight in kilograms may provide some missing semblance of universal comity, but let’s not overdo it. However, if you want to use a different format for the date, such as using periods instead of slashes (3.23.16), that’s easy to change in Windows’ settings. Use those. I’m afraid I do find the Americans’ insistence on writing dates “the other way round” from the rest of the English-speaking world a bit irritating. European date vs. american date. Unfortunately, he got the year wrong (it was 2011). European number format examples. I know this is irrelevant but it felt really relevant. I grew up with military parents so the European format is what I’ve used mostly in my life except in school where teachers would give me a hard time. I have seen “proper” Canadian colleagues use color and colour in the same sentence! YYYY-MM-DD is always the meaning when year is first (The logic behind this format is to read from most signifficant to least signifficant). The latter is beginning to become more popular, especially in IT-related work and international projects. As a US Army vet and someone who often deals with outlanders, I often write the date dd-mmm-yy … 04 May 15. Use a regular expression in MS Word’s Advanced Find/Replace feature to locate all dates in European format. A little later, Napoleon consolidated this position by ordering the military to stay on the right side, even when out of the country, so that everyone who met the French army had to concede the way. patient would say how big is that and dr would point to the reference. There is an order: some days are a month, some months are a year. In Germany, it is not uncommon in casual speech to use numbers to refer to months, rather than their names (e.g. Numbers may be written with or without leading zero in Austria or Switzerland, where they are commonly only discarded in days when literal months are being used (e.g., "09.11. When pasted, they looked the same (dd/mm/yyyy) and the formatting for the filled cells was "General." So what? Hi John – I’ve lived in London for nearly 10 years and would concur with your conclusions (except for the reference to the “Colonies” :)), most of which I noted myself in my own comment. Excel VBA Format Date. 5. For half-hours, the absolute form as in "halb zwei" is used everywhere. Oracle Databases also default to 12-APR-2012, which is kinda interesting for an American country. Like seeing the temp was 20c and putting on a heavy sweater and coat thinking it would be cold. 2012-09-04 is not ambiguous because there are no official standards that say YYYY-DD-MM. Please explain, Historyfanatic! There was even a letter this week to our local rag bemoaning the lack of anything formal…which there is and I believe its the ISO standard yyyy-mm-dd. (Call me picky, but hardly a day passes that somebody doesn’t send me an unprovable tall tale about this guy, in a claim that’s more often than not debunked in Snopes. In an effort to avoid international miscommunication, the International Standard ISO 8601 was created. Change ). In other words a presentation that will ensure immediate comprehension? I told him in kilos “How much is that in old money?” he asked. The ISO standard is also used in certain Northern European countries such as Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Iceland etc. Given that >90% of pre-1900 sword-armed road travellers were right-handed, they passed to the left of each other. I’ll gladly proclaim my ignorance about Napoleon’s influence on which side of the road to drive. Don’t even get me started on the illogic of writing writing a comma to between a whole number and a decimal (or a period/full stop between thousands). The ISO standard uses hyphens, not slashes, to separate yyyy-mm-dd. I do of course know it’s the emergency phone no in the US, whereas we use 999. OK, I’m from Europe, so I’m a little bit prejudiced. Of course, I also add the Hebrew date b/c that’s the way I roll. Mainland China invariably writes 2016/01/06 since the past 60 years. Canada uses day/month/year. [2], 24-hour time notation is used officially and for purposes that require precision like announcements in the media. Different Departements in France had completely different systems. I NEVER write 04/05/15 for May 4th! Dates and now side of the road? The traditional representation with a dot remains in widespread use, however, and in this format leading zeros are generally omitted from the hours; additionally, the literal string "Uhr" is frequently added – e.g. I finally made charts for the consultation rooms to show how big 3cm, 5cm, 7cm, 9cm so doctor would say you have a 2cm mole on your back that we need to take off today. The use of a dot as a separator matches the convention of pronouncing the day and the month as an ordinal number, because ordinal numbers are written in German followed by a dot. And this ruins my report as it simply change the date. The European Data Format (EDF) is a simple and flexible format for exchange and storage of multichannel biological and physical signals. The only downside would be that blog posts such as this couldn’t be written and enjoyed. South Korea, Japan, and China are those countries, they write year-month-day. Open a new Internet Explorer browser. If they ping you in February for a March renewal you might suspect the date in the mail doesn’t indicate November. When Napoleon took over he stopped that and unified France. When I write a check, that is how I place the date. Week numbers according to ISO 8601 and the convention of starting the week on Monday were introduced in the mid 1970s (DIN 1355). I suspect it’s the influence of the Department of Defense. 4/9/12, on the other hand, could mean either date, according to whether one is using US or rest-of-the-world dates. Our customer has MS project 2007 version, hence I tried to save the plan in project 2013 as 2007 file. Choice of driving side is entirely arbitrary and a non sequitur. If you ask a Brit, the will tell you that the emergency number in the UK 999, and they’d be right. : – July the 4th (American Independence Day) This parameter is optional. Left to right for computer sorting pure logic as greatest to least – so writing least to greatest makes perfect visual sense also. The usual EU compromise – standardisation across the EU, will supporting local history and cultures. Sorry. "der zweite erste" - the second first - for 2 January). In Prussia there are many roads, Each man must find his own way.”. “No, because it’s on the 7th of August. Thank you. Just the other day I was driving towards a knight who got pissy, veered to my right and lopped off my side mirror. If this is the case, realize this is controlled outside of PostureScreen Mobile on the device OS itself. In UK the date is consistently written DD MM YYYY, sometimes with a comma after the day, but spoken it is often reversed with “the” in the middle, thus July the seventh; More commonly it is known as 7/7 – and is then of course consistent with either convention – to associate with 9/11. If it is not declared, the Format function assumes that Sunday is the first day of the week. The European Committee for Standardization (CEN) and European Committee for Electrotechnical Standardization (CENELEC) adopted ISO 8601 with EN 28601, now EN ISO 8601. The month is written in Roman numerals while the day is in Arabic numerals: 14.  VI. 1789 is 14 June 1789.”. Thank goodness with unknowing wisdom the powers that be elected 11/11 to be Remembrance Day. Americans understand other Americans, Brits understand other Brits, Nerds and mathematicians understand other nerds and mathematicians. I doubt it would have been adopted as shorthand — of if it had been, adopted as readily — if it didn’t jive so nicely with the U.S.’s 911 emergency number. 10 April 2012 and 10 Apr 12 are the formats laid down in the British forces’ Defence Writing Guide – I suspect it’s a NATO standard. Remember, remember the fifth of November, I have seen this on many paintings/drawings in museums, and here’s a passage from the Roman numeral entry in wikipedia, “In Central Europe, Italy, Russia, and in Bulgarian, Croatian, Portuguese, Romanian, and Serbian languages, mixed Roman and Arabic numerals are used to record dates (usually on tombstones, but also elsewhere, such as in formal letters and official documents). Another important thing to keep in mind is your spreadsheet locale. Thousands of high school and college students are no doubt writing MLA-formatted essays right now. ( Log Out /  How do you write numbers? dd/mm/yyyy format is used … *ISO => CCYY-MM-DD As John Adams wrote “The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. 01/02/2007 will January 2nd, 2007. The American format did not cause as much confusion as the date was usually written out in full. I used to fly to America a lot. Once you see the drop-down box, select "Internet … In the UK, anyone who reaches 100 years old gets a telegram from the queen. There is only one correct way to write a date, year then month then day. If you are working in an international coordinate company, you may suffer with the problem that convert Euro date format to US date format. If you bring those dates as general or dates, excel will do its best to see anything that looks like a date as a date. As with most things in life, what one objects to is whatever’s at variance with what one grew up with. Since portions of the population continued to use the old format, the traditional format was re-introduced as alternative to the standard yyyy-mm-dd format to DIN 5008 in 2001 and DIN ISO 8601 in September 2006 but its usage is restricted to contexts where misinterpretation cannot occur. The default date … My Date is in format 1/3/2016 7:56:00 AM (DD/MM/YYYY hh:mm:ss), but PowerBI is reading the Date as MM/DD/YYYY hh:mm:ss. If you have an enquiry or are looking for some information then please type a question or keyword(s) into the box provided, and we will return a list of articles to help you. What is true is that, when written numerically, you must use day-month-year in British English. ", but "9. If your “argument” is correct then why was it that before the French Revolution a number of provinces drove on the other side of the road? Ouch Graeme! The worst potential usability problems come when the date is written only with numbers as in the following usa, because the date's interpretation will be european from one clock to another. So, it is likely that the notation was added simply as a label.'”. If an American writes May 3, 1988 as 05/03/1988 but an Italian writes May 3, 1988 as 03/05/1988 who's to know what's what! ps. In the UK the emergency telephone number is 999 or so I thought. Were they full of left-handed knights? I’ve just read this extraordinarily rude and ill-mannered reply. The number of commas in an Indian balance sheet can drive you mad! YYYY-MM-DD (2017-03-30) I look back to my primary school teacher’s dictum (I am 75 yrs now- so no one can thumb their nose at my teacher) was dd/mm/yy. 4/20/2020; 2 minutes to read; D; M; s; m; In this article Syntax Date.FromText(text as nullable text, optional culture as nullable text) as nullable date About. We’re talking about a language in which the vowels of the virtually identical words dough, slough, and tough are all pronounced differently. Simplest solution would be for us all to stick with the versions that involve logical progresssions, ie day month year or year month day. And I am the only one in our family whose birthdate can be misconstrued – the others are lucky enough to be past 12 in the month. Should ever be forgot. dated 4th July 1776”, The site explains the notation this way: “According to the National Archives, ‘While no one knows for certain who wrote it, it is known that early in its life, the large parchment document was rolled up for storage. But when I’ve already got data that is in the US format EG: 6/12/2019 and want to change it to 12/06/2019 there seems no way. Nobody would do this because everybody would say “there’s an order”! Then the patient would come in and ask how big is it. Makes perfect sense too. I don’t understand why 4/9/12 is ambiguous but 2012-09-04 isn’t. But the US date format is absolutely senseless (sorry guys, I love America but please go metric asap!). Trying to spend all day converting one to the other will drive you bonkers. However, I bet all the countries he once ruled now use the Euro numeric. One was done in Europe, and the other is from U.S. military people (who, unlike typical Americans, use Euro-style dates and 24-hour time). 14:51 or 14.51. '91"; however, two-digit years are generally deprecated after the Millennium. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Any thoughts? JOHN – but we live in a world now. The other variant is relative; this one is also used for multiples of five minutes. Isn’t the main issue here the NUMERIC presentation? England (and I do mean England, not Britain) had been a unified country for over 800 years when Napoleon tried to invade. Though perhaps that’s not an option for you. True, American historians attempting to appeal to the masses may revert to April 12, 2012, but those writing for scholarly journals will not. Your comment about the ‘”9/11″ precedent’ intrigued me because it left me wondering whether you were aware of the significance of 911 in the U.S. (It’s the nationally recognized number to dial in an emergency. If 25% of the world population EXCLUSIVELY uses year/month/day, which happens to be the ISO standard, then concluding “most of the rest of the world” is a bit misleading. Anyone who must sort a large number of files in chronological order quickly becomes a fan of the ISO 8601 standard (YYYYMMDD). Interesting stuff about Napoleon and unification and I’m sure there was a time when some Canadian provinces drove on the left. *DMY => DD.MM.YY “In the United Kingdom and, in fact, most of the rest of the world, today’s date would be indicated 9 April 2012…” -britishisms.wordpress.com. By the leftmost(first) character of course! Especially, how do you sort dates on a computer when the date is embedded in a name or some other field that the computer doesn’t ‘know’ is a date? Get it right! Even if I manually key in the date 06/02/2019 it's automatically change to 02/06/2019 again. I would have to think hard to know what those were was in archaic measures but then I was taught in metric from when I was in my early teens. Convert European Date format to American Format. Official EU documents still tend to use DD.MM.YYYY but one document specifies the use of ISO 8601: "Dates should be formatted by the following format: YYYY-MM-DD." German grammar rules do not allow for leading zeros in dates at all, and there should always be a space after a dot. In the Region and Language dialog box, select the Format … We SAY month-day (and if need be -year), thus we write mm-dd-yy or mm/dd/yy. France did not. I still think cave-in of CTV to over the border format was NG. It's very good for real-time measurement, the use of this software is very professional. Ensure that all dates in your document are indeed in European format, i.e., dd-mm-yyyy (or dd-mm-yy). Totally agree re Canada – . Hence, I’m exteremely skeptical of everything I receive these days about our current president.). In most Post-Soviet states DD.MM.YYYY format is used with dots as separators and with leading zeros. Think about a lot of documents are the same way Year Month day or Day month year. When in Rome …do as the Romans do. yep or longhand as 25 June, 2016, organized from smallest unit to largest unit. (I learned that one quick!) I’ve had a love/hate affair with this since my early twenties when I spent three years in France. Week numbers are prominently printed in calendars and are widely used in the business world. The traditional all-numeric form of writing Gregorian dates in German is the little-endian day.month.year order, using a dot on the line (period or full stop) as the separator (e.g., "31.12.1991" or "15.4.74").